Christ in Me International (CiMI) is a New Religious Movement developing in South Africa. We were alerted to its existence when we began receiving emails and requests for information: Is this a group that falls within the historic Christian faith but engages in some odd practices, or does the New Religious Movement fall outside the pale of orthodoxy? We have done two web casts on this subject with a concerned pastor from that area, Rudolph Boshoff who has done a great deal of research and is actively alerting others about the group. Our webcasts with him are: “Who is Christ in Me International and Why Should I Care?” and “Was Jesus the Christ or Was He Just a Human Who Had the Christ?” For the record, we have attempted to dialogue with the leaders of the group and even invited them to participate in the webcast, but they did not accept our overtures. In late February, one of their leaders contacted us to request an opportunity to talk, and we again invited them to participate in a webcast. They have not responded but instead posted “Is Christ in Me International a cult?” The short answer is yes. We will explain our reason shortly.
I have to admit, reading CiMI’s piece was a bit reminiscent of similar material by Gwen Shamblin of Weighdown Workshop/Remnant Fellowship and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. CiMI, like these other groups, trots out definitions (or portions of definitions) of the word cult, and then attempts to prove that their group does not fit said definitions. They then conclude that if they are a cult then so is all of Christianity.
CiMI cites definitions from the Christianity Today website, which shows that the word cult, like most words in any language, has a range of meaning and that one would need the context of the usage to determine which meaning applies:
First of all, a cult can simply be a group that loves something. When people refer to an “Elvis cult” or “The O.C. cult,” the word simply denotes a seriously devoted fan base.
The second definition is that of a religion whose beliefs differ from the majority around them. In the Roman Empire, Christians were sometimes considered a cult because they worshiped Jesus rather than the Roman gods.
The third, and most commonly used definition, refers to a religious group that is
Exclusive. They may say, “We’re the only ones with the truth; everyone else is wrong; and if you leave our group your salvation is in danger.”
Secretive. Certain teachings are not available to outsiders or they are presented only to certain members, sometimes after taking vows of confidentiality.
Authoritarian. A human leader expects total loyalty and unquestioned obedience.
Individual words certainly do have a range of meaning, and the meanings often change or are expanded with usage over time. The context – who I was communicating to, what I was communicating about, and when I communicated it – determines the understanding of the word. For example, the 1890s were referred to as “The Gay Nineties,” and the word gay in those days meant happy and carefree. However, in our time the word denotes attraction to and engaging in sexual relations with members of one’s own sex. Hardly anyone in our time defines the word gay as happy and carefree. Likewise, the word cult does indeed have a larger variety of meanings than those cited in Christianity Today (CT), and the word has a considerably larger range of meaning since it first appeared in English in the 17th century. The “Cult” entry in Wikipedia is helpful on this issue. Sociologists, psychologists, government officials and religious researchers use the word differently, but each also provides the definition being applied.
CiMI compounds the problem by seemingly possessing a lack of understanding of history and orthodox Christian doctrine. They write:
My eye immediately caught that there is something ‘off’ with the second definition, that it should not be there. I would have thought that if you worship a human being as GOD or ‘GOD the Son’ (trinity doctrine) you would automatically fall under the third category that applies to cults? When did it become legitimate religious behaviour to worship a human being?
The first century Greco-Roman Pantheon was polytheistic and included many deities who were at one time fully human persons who had become gods. Romans had no problem adding a new god to their Pantheon – provided the worshippers swore allegiance to the Caesar as the supreme deity with the simple confession “KaÃsar Kyrios” (Caesar is lord). Early Christian believers didn’t worship “a human being as GOD” or a human being who became god, but rather the One True God Who took on human nature in the incarnation.
The Apostle Paul demonstrates this usage in Romans 10:9-13 by co-opting the confession and applying it to the Savior when he wrote, “If you confess with your mouth ‘IÄ“soús Kyrios,’ you shall be saved.” The word kyrios simply means lord, but the context of that phrase when applied to Caesar was that he was the supreme deity. Paul’s use of the phrase carried the same meaning, denoting Jesus as the supreme deity rather than Caesar. Paul informs us Who this “Lord” is by applying Joel 2:32 to “IÄ“soús” — Jesus – in Romans 10:13. The early believers were to declare and swear allegiance to “IÄ“soús” as YWHW – the only true God – which is the very truth that CiMI denies! Paul’s substitution did not sit well with the Romans, of course, and openly declaring “Jesus is Lord” carried a death sentence from the Roman government.
To respond fully to the CiMI article will require one or more full-length articles, a task far too ambitious for this medium. It is our plan to produce a full article on the subject soon. It is important though to point out that the CiMI article cites Christianity Today’s third use of the word cult, which includes the terms Exclusive, Secretive, and Authoritarian then redefines the words to suit the author’s defensive purposes. For example, he ignores the supplied description of “secretive” and instead chooses to make it simply about closed door meetings. “Closed door meetings” was neither stated nor intended by the CT author. What was intended was a group’s practice of holding secret doctrines, often even withholding these deeper “truths” from the group at large and initiating them a little at a time. It would be kind of like the leader of a very large purportedly orthodox Christian denomination privately asserting that there is no hell, though his church has proclaimed the reality of hell for many centuries. What other essential doctrinal deviations may this leader be secretly holding to? The people in the pews should know. Or if an elite cabal in our local church secretly holds to the “truth” that Pastor Dan (our pastor) is the LORD Almighty, we really need to know that. Secrecy involving essential doctrine is a major indicator of unholy and cultic shenanigans. The CiMI author uses a similar bait and switch tactic with each of the three characteristics which describe the third use of the word cult.
In our article, “Weigh Down Workshop a Cult?” (we flesh out the characteristics of cults, as well as provide the definition most Christian theologians, New Religious Movements and cult researchers use which comes from Alan Gomes:
A cult of Christianity is a group of people who claim to be Christian, yet embrace a particular doctrinal system taught by an individual leader, group of leaders, or organization, which (system) denies (either explicitly or implicitly) one or more of the central doctrines of the Christian faith as taught in the 66 books of the Bible. 1Unmasking Modern Cults, Alan Gomes, Zondervan, 1995, p7
Although CiMI affirms the human nature of Jesus, they deny that He was God by nature prior to the incarnation. He essentially came into existence at His supernatural conception and although a perfect sinless man was no more than that. We address the issue of His nature at some length in “Weighed Down with False Doctrine” and “Should You Believe in the Watchtower or Is Jesus Christ Almighty God?”
In short, we have abundant evidence in the Old Testament of at least two persons Who share God’s name, YHWH. For example, in Zechariah 2:7-13 we have a very interesting passage involving YHWH sending YHWH down to Earth, and YHWH going to dwell in the midst of the people at the direction of YHWH. Well, YHWH did come to dwell in the midst of the people at the incarnation — and, He was sent by YHWH! Hallelujah! In Zechariah chapter 11, YHWH is depicted as being valued for 30 pieces of silver – and the blood money would be thrown into the treasury in the House of YHWH. That is precisely what happened with Jesus at the hand of Judas, who was paid 30 pieces of silver to betray Jesus, and he ended up throwing the money back into the treasury in a fit of revulsion. YHWH is the Father, and YHWH is also the Son. We find out later that YHWH is also the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:17-18), There are indeed three distinct persons in the godhead.
Instead of affirming the nature of the Son, they embrace the heresy of adoptionism:
Adoptionism is a heretical theology that claims Jesus was God’s adopted Son. Adoptionism teaches that, because of Jesus’ sinless life, God chose Him and adopted Him. Adoptionism also goes by the name dynamic monarchianism; it was declared a heresy by the church in the second century. Scripture makes it clear that adoptionism is not true. Jesus Christ is not adopted; He is “begotten” (John 3:16, KJV).2ttps://www.gotquestions.org/adoptionism.html
CiMI is simply adopting (pardon the pun) early church heresies which were rejected and refuted by the end of the Second Century. As a result of rejecting the deity of the Son, they also reject the physical resurrection, a doctrine on which the entirety of the gospel hinges. Jesus Himself said He would raise His physical body! John tells us that after the resurrection the disciples remembered that He had said this. (John 2:18-22) Paul cites an early church creed (in existence about 38 A.D.) in 1 Corinthians 15:1-7. Paul asserts that if Jesus was not physically resurrected, the believers have “believed in vain” and there is no hope of salvation. (see The Resurrection: Watchtower-Style).
As is often the case with cults, New Religious Movements and pseudo-Christian groups, there can be sincere people involved who are nevertheless deeply deceived. That should not really surprise us, for the Apostle Paul instructs Timothy:
…evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived (2 Timothy 3:13)
Deceiving and being deceived is a hallmark of cult groups everywhere.Ω
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thank you so much for your explanation of a cult.it appears that the group that followed Jesus was also a cult, by your standards, and acts 5
Elzabe, Is jy in Xandre se kerk? Xandre is n con-artist of note.He thinks he is the best thing since sliced bread. He and his leermeesters. They are a racist cult and an afrikaner club who think their doctrine isthe only doctrine. Xandre uses witchcraf on his followers believe me i know dark witchcraft.
I appreciate your comments and wonder if you might clarify something. When you write, “It appears that the group that followed Jesus was also a cult, by your standards” perhaps you might be able to let me know which of the essential doctrines Jesus was denying?
Very sincere people. Remember going to the same meetings helping with worship when Dawie Spies led TIme Out Ministries which Xandre took over. What I regard as my best and closes childhood friend which I will always regard as a brother is part of this group. A few of my friends which I thought were strong believers in Jesus Christ as The Son of God and as Jesus as Lord and Savior was persuaded by Xandre to believe their new doctrine which denies Jesus as God. But I am convince that some of these followers join because they have a place where they can belong. It is normal. People want to belong and be part of something. A religious club cant be bad right? It is for a good cause right? Xandre has never e-mailed or responded me back in regards to talking about certain versus in the Bible. They still believe that God needs to open my eyes to see that Jesus is not God’s only begotton Son. I just want to say that I beleve I am a son of God as well. I believe I was adopted into God’s family. I believe Jesus paid for my sins. I dont believe I am The Son of God. I believe Jesus is Devine and The Son of God. I believe in the Holy Spirit. I do agree with Xandre that our purpose is not to escape hell and to go to heaven. I believe our purpose while on earth is to reveal Jesus Christ which is living in us. I strongly belief our purpose on earth is simple. Love God with all your heart soul and mind and to love your neighbor as you love yourself. To Love God is to obey His Word. His Word is Jesus. Please study Jesus , read Jesus, invite Jesus. Eat and drink Jesus. Good works wont harm anyone! But I know that good works wont get me saved. I know God rewards people… but in scripture I read that people laid down their crowns(rewards) to Worship Jesus. Also there is a chance God give the same amount of rewards to someone that hasn’t work as hard as you did! Why are we laying down our crowns and bowing down? Jesus is not only the One who paid our massive debt… He is God. He is Wonderful, Counseler, Mighty God, Prince of Peace, King of Kings and Lord of Lords and Everlasting Father. When you see Jesus, You see God! He is the promised one! Messiah! My desire for my friends surely is not to go to hell but denying Jesus as God is inviting hell. Good works or establishing a nice “kingdom on earth” is not a bad idea at all but life on earth will come to an end and we will go somewhere else.
Love this response. I know quite a few people who is adopting this doctrine now. People who have been good, solid, christian leaders for years. People who have started to get ‘bored’ in the local church are now grabbing at this ‘new’ theology of CiMI. They believe that they are following the narrow road, while the rest of us are walking on the broad. My BEST friend is choosing this route, and my heart is breaking!
Corlene. It is so sad. How is your friend’s family handling it? On my wife ‘s side a lot of her family is involved with Xandre and his cult.
Surely their credibility with the Carte Blanche story and people like Rudolph Boshoff has been shattered.Thing is if evidence of their wicked ways is presented to their followers they will start doubting Strydom more and more. It is a private club where the ‘leermeesters’ share in the profits.
Hi Corlene. Please contact me. We have started a support group for ex cult members and people who has family / friends in cults. Robert 0825511080
I have a step son caught up with this cult can you do follow up from them also am praying
Hi Carole. You are welcome to contact me. Let us help you get your step son out of this cult. 0825511080
Amen
YES AMEN YES!!!
How can “Christ in me” give ANY hope unless He is God!!
EVERY KNEE SHÃLL BOW, & THEIR TONGUES WÃLL CONFESS… I just hope not too late!!!!
Not You who wrote this article or the people who responded truly know what PAUL’S
CHRIST IN ME message is all about.
This message was given to PAUL THE APOSTLE BY JESUS CHRIST Himself and to no one else. The message from PAUL is the ONE and ONLY TRUE GOSPEL and is for us the GENTILES which means the people outside of the Israelite’s. Please note we fall in the NEW Testament after Christ was resurrected. We got a chance from GOD as the Israelite’s rejected JESUS as Messiah before the Cross and GOD made a plan for us to become SONS through JESUS CHRIST.
Galatians 1 New King James Version (NKJV)
Greeting
1 Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead), 2 and all the brethren who are with me,
To the churches of Galatia:
3 Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.
Only One Gospel
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert[a] the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be [b]accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.
Call to Apostleship
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
13 For you have heard of my former conduct in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it. 14 And I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, 16 to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood, 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.
Contacts at Jerusalem
18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see [c]Peter, and remained with him fifteen days. 19 But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lord’s brother. 20 (Now concerning the things which I write to you, indeed, before God, I do not lie.)
21 Afterward I went into the regions of Syria and Cilicia. 22 And I was unknown by face to the churches of Judea which were in Christ. 23 But they were hearing only, “He who formerly persecuted us now preaches the faith which he once tried to destroy.” 24 And they glorified God in me.
Please read your Bible’s correctly and especially PAUL’S Gospel starting from Romans. The first 8 chapters is where you will find where the CHRIST IN ME Message comes from.
CHRIST IN ME INTERNATIONAL IS THE CHURCH NAME IN SOUTH AFRICA.. IT HAS NOTHING 2 DO WITH ROMANS PER SAY.. THEY ARE A CULT TWISTING THE GOSPEL.. AND EVEN SAYING CHRIST IS NOT GOD.. I LIVE IN SOUTH AFRICA AND I CAN ASSURE U THEY ARE A CULT.. BOTTOM LINE..
I agree and was just clarifying.
Cool..i can not stand Xandre Stydom their leader.. He loves himself..
Same here, he makes my stomach turn.
He is a narcissist, which is actually the Jezebel Spirit.
Its all about control. It is astonishing how many narc’s eagerly embrace their doctrine.
Narcissism is also about glorifying me, myself and I and if ” I ” can now be a god (christ) then so much the better.
I lost a son, daughter in law and 2 precious grandson’s to this cult.
Then I know a few others there as well, people who dragged my son into this filthy cult. One whom replied here under his surname, like a coward…
Erasmus, i still can not figure out are you against Christ in me international or are you in favour of them?
The World famous Watchman Neé in the early 1900 talked about the concept of to be in Adam or to be in Christ(The book The secret to Christian living). Romans chapter 1 to 8 explain the gospel of in Christ. Nothing God did was outside of Christ everything for believers are stored in Christ. The moment you receive Christ as personal saviour you have all the virtues of Christ example all the blessing of God is in Christ etc. Gal 2:20 Paul says i have been crucified with Christ it is no longer i that lives but Christ in me.
He is not only in favour of them, he is a vèry active member, hiding under his Surname.
Due to him and his father I lost my only child, my son, his wife and my 2 precious grandson’s to this filthy cult where the spirit of the antichrist and the spirit of jezebel reigns.
And in the meantime his poor mother died, who was à lso dragged into this filth…
Judgement day is on hand…
While I have concerns about Watchman Nee (see Watching Out For Watchman Nee) it is true that once we are born again we are in Christ and all He did is attributed to us. However, we do not become a Christ as Christ in Me International teaches.
My daughter (and her new husband) is in this cult. A couple of years ago I was invited to one of their camps, where I ended up confronting some of them on their teachings (which can be very confusing).
The Director of Prison Ministries International in South Africa, Connie Wehrmann (whom I know), also went on one of their camps, and similarly confronted them, especially when their MAIN Man (the guy propping up Xander – I have photo’s of him) made statements about Jesus rotting, Xander being their “messiah”, etc. I think I still have Connie’s email about some of the disgusting things he said about Jesus.
A while after I confronted my daughter about this guy’s verbal diarrhea, she came back saying that he didn’t mean it like that, etc.
Some of the ways they use to brainwash their members are:
– They are given sets of videos of sermons (of their twisted interpretation of the Bible) – free of charge
– They are sent on camps (also free of charge)
– Once they start attending, they are encouraged to attend church virtually every day of the week (on Saturdays they have “Woordskool”)
– They do EVERYTHING together. They have created their own little Utopia here on earth (their members have unique access to all kinds of services i.e. hairdressing, etc.) They are so busy fluffing each others’ feathers, that they cannot see the real world (with all its pain and suffering) out there…
I remember when, years ago, small groups (kleingroepe) were all the rage. One of the sicknesses that can occur in this kind of environment is “coinonites”. This happens when the group solely concentrates on their members, and all energy is directed inwardly. At CIMI, the same thing appear to be happening, but on a larger scale.
The members are advised by their leaders that people will confront them with the term “Cult”, so they actually PREPARE them on how to respond when confronted!
The problem is, they don’t teach their members what the Bible says, they teach them THEIR interpretation of the Bible.
I think what pulled my daughter to them was the sense of “family” that they portray. They are being told they are unique (only THEY have the TRUE gospel – which is a characteristic of all cults). They appear to create a safe haven for the “wounded” (people who’ve been disappointed in relationships / parents, etc.). On the surface, they look like a happy bunch.
They like to challenge “normal” Christians by asking them what Christianity has achieved on this earth. “Look at the state of the world” they say, using it as “proof” that traditional Christianity has failed. Really? Who built most of the hospitals and schools? They obviously never studied the history of the Church…
In my opinion, the people who fall for their twisted teachings are people who do not know their Bibles (especially Jesus’s teachings). Considering they trash Jesus himself, that is to be expected…
They only acknowledge God the Father (not God the Son or God the Holy Spirit). Funny that according to Matthew 17:5 and Mark 9:7 that very same Father instructs them to listen to the Son (Jesus)! This Cult does NOT preach the teachings of Jesus nor of His kingdom. Instead, they are taught that each of them are a “christ”.
When I ask my daughter if she, now being “christ”, died for me (like Jesus did), rose from the dead (like Jesus did) or if she can forgive my sins (like Jesus did) – this is becoming a little boring) she can’t answer me. Needless to say, their leaders will come up with some explanation of how this is possible. Confused? So are a lot of people trying to understand their theology.
One thing is crystal clear: they only use SOME parts of the Bible, and simply discard / dispute the rest.
I pray that my daughter (and all the other members) will soon be saved from this false teaching.
I have inserted a close translation of this comment following the original:
jy is reg, ons het gedaante van godsaligheid maar die krag daarvan verloor, ek was ook in n kerk wat gese het net ons gaan hemel toe, alles die kenmerke van n cult, om n mens te aanbid is demonies, this is worshipping SELF. EK SIDDER deur die brainwashed wat die mense deur gaan, vandag is ek vry deur die HEILIGE GEES, HY is die een wat ons lei in alle waarheid. ek wil nie n persoon aan val nie, maar die leier het homself verhef, en nou aanbid mense hom en nie GOD, die woord se in die laaste dae sal daar baie christusse wees, GAAN IN JULLE BINNEKAMER, en sonder af. die “antichris ” gees is klaar hier om even die uit verkorens te verlei. ek bid dat die HEILIGE GEES julle oe sal oop maak.
Translation: you are right, we have countenance of god salvation but the strength of it, I was also in a church which had just argued we go to heaven, all the characteristics of a cult, to n to worship man is demonies, this is worshipping themselves. I MAY SHAKE by the brainwashed that people go through, I was free today by the HOLY SPIRIT, he is the one who leads us into all truth. I don’t want a person to fall, but the leader has elevated himself, and now worship him and not GOD people, the word’s in the last days there will be many christusse, IN BINNEKAMER, and without YOU. the “Antichrist ” spirit is done here to even out to lure the verkorens. I pray that the HOLY SPIRIT will make you open oe.
It must be hard seeing your daughter in this situation. Xandre targets woman alot and if the husbands dont play along they simply bring devision and tell the woman to divorce. They make my blood boil. It is nothing but witchcraft.. Manipulation.. Intimidation and the domination.. Xandre was still on the right path when he was under Dawie Spies ministry. He obviously opened a door and now that door has destroyed alot of people.
Hi Antony. Maybe we should have a get-together of all people who have friends / family in this “church”. Then we can help those who want to get out. The ones who was able to get their family out can explain what worked for them… And of course we can pray together. Any takers?
Robert,
Sounds great. Alot of my wife’s family are in Xandre’s cult. I must say pastor Rudolph Boshoff has done the most to expose them.I would love to see him and his cult exposed and closed down asap.I know a couple of journalists are planning something big with a program on them next year exposing them and giving serious detail and…I think they should be worried. I know Carte Blanche had something on them this year…but i believe this is going to be very good..hopefully they can give serious exposure…I know serious church leaders are also working on a plan to stop this delusional man..Keep well…
Hi Antony. Tonight I watched tbe interview that Midwest Christian Outreach had with Drienie de Beer, and feel we should try and meet with her. How do I get a hold of her contact details (and yours)? I also sent pastor Rudolph a message on Linkedin…
Here is part of a ppt download called “The Ark of Covenant”, which sheds some light on the origins and leaders of CIMI:
15Â The Type of the dove and the wine
On 13 May 2014 God released a prophetic word of “the sign of the dove” from Psalm 68 through me…(Neels Labuschagne, an antitype of John the Baptist) to Xandré Strydom (an antitype of Jesus Christ)The beauty of this prophecy is that it was prophesied over Xandré exactly three days before he turned 31, thus still the same age as when Jesus received his “sign of the dove” manifestation, as well as exactly 8 years after he got born again on 13 May 2006That same evening, at the Pretoria East Branch Moreleta Park), I also cut covenant with Xandré since I didn’t do it with the CiM International Leadership on our first covenant evening (the type of the wine/dove)Indeed we at CiM International serve as an antitype of the day of Noah
The question is: Who is the source of these prophecies and manifestations? Which “god” released the prophecy? The Bible talks of “the god of this world”…
May I remind you of the following warnings (we are warned x2 in Galations 1:6-9):
6Â I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Â Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8Â But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9Â As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Any gospel that is not the gospel of Jesus Christ, is a FALSE GOSPEL.
Here is more examples (from the ppt download) of their twisted view of Jesus:
4Â The word ARK means: chest/coffin/box/vessel.
Eventually Jesus Christ became the anti-type of the Ark of covenant, when God entrusted His new creation/creature plan to him.Since his baptism, when he became part of the Spirit plan, his body would serve as the “ark”, the carrier of the Christ plan… Christ in him, the hope of glory.
5Â Christ was never an example for us, but rather of us
Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
So, from being the Savior, they downgrade Jesus to an ark, the carrier of THEIR “christ plan”!
I can’t believe people actually believe this nonsense.
What is tragic, is that many do (my own daughter is one). It just shows the demonic inspiration behind this church.
We are reminded that in Ephesians 6:12 our war is not against flesh (man) but against principalities and powers (demons).
my daughter and her husband is also in CIMI so i would love to get them out of there
If you are trying to get your family out of Cimi, contact me at 0825511080 or robert.baruchfire@gmail.com
Elsa i think it will be a good thing to contact Robert as he also has a daughter there whom he wants out.. I want 2 meet next year with anybody who wants 2 talk about it.. I can not start 2 imagine how it feels as a parent when your children start avoiding you because of this false Xandre.. He must be stopped..i heard they bought a farm also.. You can just think what is next.. Everybody on the farm giving their money 2 this ‘cult..
Hi
wanneer word die joernaliste se besonderhede oor CIMI vrygestel die jaar?
Soos bo genome
(Translation: When are the journalists’s details on CIMI released the year?
As mentioned above)
Are you asking when this was first published or something else? I am uncertain what the question is asking.
My seun was vir n ruk betrokke by hulle maar is weg agv. die feit dat hy nie bereid was om te buig voor een van hulle leiers nie. Eks nie seker of hy gepraat het van Xandre nie. My seun is intussen oorlede en die blote gedagte dat hy nou verlore is agv hulle teachings maak my rasend.
English translation – “My son had been involved with them for a while but was gone agv. The fact that he was not willing to bow before one of their leaders. Exodus does not know if he spoke of Xandre. My son was passed away, and the very thought he was now lost to due to their teachings making me rakingly”
More Tracy,
Jou boodskap raak my so diep en ek wil graag net se onthou God is getrou en regverdig. Moses skryf; “Sal die regter van die hele aarde dan nie reg laat geskied nie?”
Rus in die feit dat God genadig is, en dat Hy alles deur Sy goeie will beskik. Geen woorde kan waarlik verligting bring vir ‘n moeder wat haar kind verloor het nie, maar weet God ken jou pyn en hartseer.
Bid vir jou vir vrede en rus.
English translation – Your message touches me so deeply and I would like to simply remember God is faithful and just. Moses writes; “Shall the judge of the whole Earth not be made ready?”
Rest in the fact that God is gracious, and that he has everything through his good will. No words can truly bring relief for a mother who has lost her child, but know God knows your pain and sadness.
Pray for you for peace and rest.
Baie dankie vir die terugvoer. My seun was n diep gelowige en het by sy werksplek spesfiek, van die mense daar gehelp om tot bekering te kom, so ek kan maar net bid dat God hom genadig sal wees. Ek wens net daars n manier om mense te waarsku teen daai klomp. Dit sal so tragies wees as gelowige mense wat deur hulle mislei is, verlore moet gaan.
English – Thanks so much for the feedback. My son was a deep believer and at his place of work specifically, helped some of the people there to repent, so I can only pray that God will be gracious to him. I just wish there was a way to warn people against that bunch. It will be so tragic if believing people who have been deceived must be lost.
Good Day
I was apart of this cult for four years and apart of the leadership for two. On the entry it was a place of acceptance and safety, security and discipline. But this is a hoax. Christ in me whatever they call themselves now is a greed driven click who will suck your pockets dry, your heart and life.
They might seem to care about you but when the “popo” hits the fan they expect you to run to the family that they judge so harshly. In the past few months their downfall has started, it is sad that so many people lost everything, pensions, houses, businesses, work, but also family, friends and relationships.
They will make you believe that what you are doing/pursuing is “God’s will” but its all apart of a plot. You are a pawn in a scheme, whether in labor, money or even marriage.
If you are lost and by some way found Christ in me, you should run to God, not to them.
People have committed suicide because of the influence of this church, I tried, even when I was still apart of the church. And they wrote me off, ignored me, even gave me false psychological counsel.
I am not writing this to get attention or start a vendetta. I just hope that by some miracle, someone will read it and stay away from that horror show.
Regards
Hi Cherise! Eerstens wil ek net sê hoe ongelooflik bly ek is dat jy uit Cimi uitgekom het!!! Ek het so baie vir jou gebid! Ek is altyd hier vir jou as jy met my wil gesels. Baie liefde en n baie groot druk. My nommer is 0726638527.
Translation:
Hi Cherise! First, I just want to say how incredibly glad I am that you got out of CiMI!!! I’ve prayed for you so much! I’m always here for you if you want to talk to me. Much love and a big hug. My number is 0726638527.
So bly jy is uit CIMI. Sterkte vorentoe, bly by die waarheid in die Woord van God.
Translation: “So glad you’re out of CIMI. Good luck going forward, abide by the truth in the Word of God.”
Wil graag meer weet van CIMI. Vriende van my is vasgevang daar!!!
Translation: “Would love to know more about CIMI. Friends of mine are trapped there!!!”
Hi Suzette. Kontak my asb by 0825511080. Ons het ‘n hulpgroep gestig vir ex lede van CIMI asook familie / vriende wat iemand in die “kerk” het. Groete, Robert
Translation: Hi Suzette. Please contact me on 0825511080. We have established an aid group for ex members of CIMI as well as family/friends who have someone in the “church”. Greetings, Robert