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	<title>Midwest Christian Outreach: The Crux</title>
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		<title>Pharisees, Sadducees and the Emerging Church</title>
		<link>http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/113/pharisees-sadducees-and-the-emerging-church</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Don Veinot</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the topics I spoke on at a church retreat recently was Roman Catholicism. One of the points I made was that Rick Warren stated at the Pew Forum that he doesn’t see much difference between Roman Catholicism and what he believes. I pretty much followed the outline of our Journal article Thus Saith [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the topics I spoke on at a church retreat recently was Roman Catholicism. One of the points I made was that Rick Warren stated at the Pew Forum that he doesn’t see much difference between Roman Catholicism and what he believes. I pretty much followed the outline of our Journal article <a href="http://www.midwestoutreach.org/Pdf%20Journals/2007/winter_07.pdf">Thus Saith Rome!</a> which poses some questions based on Rome’s official teachings. On August 1, 2008, John H. Adams published his article <a href="http://layman.org/layman/news/2008-news/emerging-church-spreading-in-pcusa.htm">‘Emerging church’ spreading in PCUSA</a> on The Layman Online. To those reading these may not really seem connected at first glance. The connector comes in through a quote a friend emailed this week which bears on both of these issues. The quote is from the book <em>Faithfulness and Holiness</em> by J.I. Packer (Crossway Books, 2002). On page 38-39 Packer quotes the late <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Charles_Ryle">J.C.Ryle</a>, whom the book was about:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8216;I believe the most powerful champion of the Pharisees is not the man who bids you honestly and openly come out and join the Church of Rome: it is the man who says he agrees on all points with you in <em>doctrine</em> &#8230;..all he asks you to do is to <em>add</em> a little more to your belief, in order to make your Christianity perfect&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8216;I consider the most dangerous champion of the Sadducee school is not the man who tells you openly that he wants you&#8230;.to become a free-thinker and a skeptic. It is the man who begins with quietly insinuating doubts&#8230;..whether we ought to be so positive in saying &#8216;This is the truth, and that falsehood,&#8217; doubts whether we ought to think men wrong who differ from us on religious opinions, since they may after all be as much right as we are&#8230;.It is the man who always begins talking in a vague way about God being a God of love,and hints that we ought to believe perhaps that all men, whatever doctrine they profess will be saved.&#8217;</p></blockquote>
<p>Although this came from Ryle over a century ago his points are just as relevant and poignant today, perhaps even more so. It is more honest for a Roman Catholic to <a href="http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/113/pharisees-sadducees-and-the-emerging-church#more-113" class="more-link">(more&#8230;)</a></p>
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		<title>Musings from a Bookworm - Deux</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Don Veinot</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the ways we keep up around here is to read what others are or will be reading. At any given time there are 8-10 books on my desk and I tend to take them on one at a time in between other aspects of the ministry. From time to time we post our [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the ways we keep up around here is to read what others are or will be reading. At any given time there are 8-10 books on my desk and I tend to take them on one at a time in between other aspects of the ministry. From time to time we post our reviews and since Stephen Burnett reviewed <a href="http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/110/why-were-not-emergent-debunks-the-doctrinally-divergent"><em>Why We’re Not Emergent by Two Guys Who Should Be</em> </a>two weeks ago it seemed about time for me to get a little caught up on this as well.</p>
<p><img align="left" src="http://www.midwestoutreach.org/images/bookcovers/ChooseYourFaith.gif" hspace="10" />The first will be Mark Mittelberg’s latest offering <em>Choosing Your Faith: In a World of Spiritual Options</em> (2008; Tyndale House Publishers, $19.99). Mark has done a service to believers and non-believers in laying out and analyzing criteria by which we can and should examine our world view and embrace the beliefs which pass the test. Although an Evangelical himself the criteria he discusses can and should be applied to the Christian claims as well. The book isn’t an apologetic for Christianity directly as much as it is a call to ask the hard questions, understand relativism, pragmatism, tradition, authority, reality, intuition, knowledge, mysticism, logic, evidence and science. Each of these can be helpful or, if not properly understood, harmful. <a href="http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/112/musings-from-a-bookworm-deux#more-112" class="more-link">(more&#8230;)</a></p>
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		<title>The Permissive Logic of the New York Times (and a Short Skit for your Next Worship Service)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Miles</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[What would you think would be the main idea of an article entitled “Survey Shows U.S. Religious Tolerance”? Wouldn’t you think the article would be about how, unlike many Middle Eastern countries (and most of the U.K.), the religious people of the U.S. are much more tolerant—as in not burning down mosques, outlawing proselytizing, or [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would you think would be the main idea of an article entitled “Survey Shows U.S. Religious Tolerance”? Wouldn’t you think the article would be about how, unlike many Middle Eastern countries (and most of the U.K.), the religious people of the U.S. are much more tolerant—as in not burning down mosques, outlawing proselytizing, or generally persecuting those who believe something different about God and the universe? That’s what I thought when I saw the New York Times headline about tolerance. The U.S. is more tolerant than say Britain where the archbishop of Canterbury is willing to relegate whole neighborhoods to Sharia law, where it might be a crime to proselytize or even question the Koran.</p>
<p>Sadly no. When I started reading the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/24/us/24religion.html?em&amp;ex=1214452800&amp;en=c75daf04e6c177a6&amp;ei=5087%0A">NY times article </a>I soon discovered that I was a victim of an Orwellian switcheroo where words have new meanings but the “Ministry of Truth” has not changed the dictionary. According to the paper of record, <a href="http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/111/the-permissive-logic-of-the-new-york-times-and-a-short-skit-for-your-next-worship-service#more-111" class="more-link">(more&#8230;)</a></p>
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		<title>&#8216;Why We&#8217;re Not Emergent&#8217; debunks the doctrinally divergent</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>E. Stephen Burnett</dc:creator>
		
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		<category><![CDATA[Kevin DeYoung]]></category>

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		<category><![CDATA[Steve Chalke]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[From what I’ve read here on the MCO site and elsewhere, it seems like it would be interesting for anyone to out-emerge “emergent church” writers in terms of style and substance.
 
First, I would have a great conversational style, interrupting myself multiple times for pop-culture and movie references to show (perhaps incidentally) how trendy and hip and with-it I am. Secondly, I would be very well-read and adept and making seemingly complex ideas lay-level and understandable. Oh yes, and thirdly, I would subtly undermine concepts of orthodox Christian doctrine and the very idea of claiming to know objective Truth. Instead, I would offer a custom-cooked stew of warmed-up leftovers from old and molded heresies, such as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagianism" target="_blank">Pelagianism</a>, extreme <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmillennialism" target="_blank">postmillennialism</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology" target="_blank">liberation theology</a> and Jesus-died-to-set-a-good-example-for-us-ism.
 
Alongside all that, I would maintain a demeanor of humility, yet suspicion and intolerance only for those who claim to know objective facts about God. <i>They are inevitably egotistical and autocratic</i>, I would argue. And that assumption — that constantly floating specter of legalistic, pulpit-pounding we-have-God-all-figured-out self-appointed doctrine police — would be recognized all throughout the writing.
 
The emergents’ usual style is fairly similar for pastor Kevin DeYoung’s and sports journalist Ted Kluck’s <i>Why We’re Not Emergent (By Two Guys Who Should Be)</i>, which starts with a cool and colorful, grainy-black-authors-in-silhouette-accompanied cover and keeps up the coolness factor even better within.
 
Regarding the first two “emergent” style characteristics, they’re mostly split: Kluck handles the conversational and cool style; DeYoung mostly debates the divergent views of the emergent mindset with well-read and complex yet lay-level flair.
 
However, on the third emergent style facet, these “two guys who should be [emergent]” aren’t anything of the sort. DeYoung offers solid doctrines of God’s Word and upholds God’s own understandability. He reveals and refutes the flagrantly illogical ideas of not even being able to <i>know</i> truth. Meanwhile, Kluck intersperses those lengthier, deep-doctrine-magic chapters with his own boots-on-the-ground accounts of delving into emergent culture, such as books by emergent guru Rob Bell, and conversations with his friends who are seemingly being assimilated into that quasi-Christian collective. “Kevin’s chapters are longer and more propositional,” Kluck explains in his own introduction. “If my chapters do nothing more than get you to keep reading Kevin’s, then I will consider it a job well done.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I’ve read here on the MCOI site and elsewhere, it seems like it would be interesting for anyone to out-emerge “emergent church” writers in terms of style and substance.</p>
<p>First, I would have a great conversational style, interrupting myself multiple times for pop-culture and movie references to show (perhaps incidentally) how trendy and hip and with-it I am. Secondly, I would be very well-read and adept and making seemingly complex ideas lay-level and understandable. Oh yes, and thirdly, I would subtly undermine concepts of orthodox Christian doctrine and the very idea of claiming to know objective Truth. Instead, I would offer a custom-cooked stew of warmed-up leftovers from old and molded heresies, such as <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagianism">Pelagianism</a>, extreme <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmillennialism">postmillennialism</a>, <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology">liberation theology</a> and Jesus-died-to-set-a-good-example-for-us-ism.</p>
<p>Alongside all that, I would maintain a demeanor of humility, yet suspicion and intolerance <a href="http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/110/why-were-not-emergent-debunks-the-doctrinally-divergent#more-110" class="more-link">(more&#8230;)</a></p>
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		<title>Is Brian MClaren Stuck on Stupid or Purposely Misleading Us?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pastor G. Richard Fisher</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian McLaren presents himself as all embracing as far as religions are concerned. In his latest book, Finding Our Way Again, his major premise is that we can go back to the middle ages and extract all the various mystical practices from Roman Catholicism (which are now being euphemistically termed “contemplative”) and throw them all together [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img align="left" src="http://www.midwestoutreach.org/images/bookcovers/Finding%20Our%20Way.jpg" hspace="10" />Brian McLaren presents himself as all embracing as far as religions are concerned. In his latest book, <em>Finding Our Way Again</em>, his major premise is that we can go back to the middle ages and extract all the various mystical practices from Roman Catholicism (which are now being euphemistically termed “contemplative”) and throw them all together in a subjective stew in any manner and proportion that suits our spiritual fancy and come out just fine. If only he had gone back a little further and connected with the Apostles! The dark ages have nothing to offer us but dead traditions however there is life in God’s Word.</p>
<p>One thing that is very obvious in all of McLaren’s writings is <a href="http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/109/is-brian-mclaren-stuck-on-stupid-or-purposely-misleading-us#more-109" class="more-link">(more&#8230;)</a></p>
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		<title>Brian McLaren, “Is Jesus the Only Way to What?,” Part 3</title>
		<link>http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/108/brian-mclaren-%e2%80%9cis-jesus-the-only-way-to-what%e2%80%9d-part-3</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Thomas Howe</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[As I demonstrated last week, Jesus says that the disciples will actually be “where” He is going. That’s more than simply a spiritual sense. Being first century Jews there is more to the context and hence the understanding of the disciples which comes from what we now call the Old Testament.
The Wisdom of God
Craig Keener [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I demonstrated last week, Jesus says that the disciples will actually be “where” He is going. That’s more than simply a spiritual sense. Being first century Jews there is more to the context and hence the understanding of the disciples which comes from what we now call the Old Testament.</p>
<p align="center">The Wisdom of God</p>
<p>Craig Keener connects the notion of the way to the wisdom literature of the Old Testament:</p>
<blockquote><p>“The LXX of Isaiah (30:11, 21; 33:15; 40:14; 42:24; 48:17; 58:2; 63:17; 64:5) and other biblical tradition [sic] (e.g., Exod 18:20; 32:8; Deut 8:6; 9:16; 10:12; 11:22, 28), especially the wisdom tradition, also apply the image of the ‘way’ to the way of righteousness and wisdom. In both biblical (e.g., Isa 55:7-9; 56:11; 59:8; 66:3) and early Jewish sources, ‘ways’ refer to behavior, as in the rabbinic use of <em>halakot</em>. ‘Ways’ as behavior represents a usage that would be understood in John&#8217;s circle of believers (Rev 15:3).”1</p></blockquote>
<p>Keener continues, <a href="http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/108/brian-mclaren-%e2%80%9cis-jesus-the-only-way-to-what%e2%80%9d-part-3#more-108" class="more-link">(more&#8230;)</a></p>
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		<title>Brian McLaren, “Is Jesus the Only Way to What?” Part 2</title>
		<link>http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/107/brian-mclaren-%e2%80%9cis-jesus-the-only-way-to-what%e2%80%9d-part-2</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Thomas Howe</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Consider the Context
In order to clarify what Jesus meant by His statement, McLaren correctly suggests that we must consider the context in which the statement was made. He says:
“One of the most basic and widely-accepted principles of biblical interpretation says that to interpret a text out of context is a pretext. In other words, if [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p align="center">Consider the Context</p>
<p>In order to clarify what Jesus meant by His statement, McLaren correctly suggests that we must consider the context in which the statement was made. He says:</p>
<blockquote><p>“One of the most basic and widely-accepted principles of biblical interpretation says that to interpret a text out of context is a pretext. In other words, if you pull a verse out of its setting, you may unwittingly (or intentionally) twist it to make it say things it was never intended to say.”1</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, considering the context does not guarantee that one will, as a result of studying the context, interpret a passage correctly. In fact, if McLaren is wrong in his understanding of the passage, he could equally be wrong in his understanding of the context. The various aspects of context must also be interpreted, and if you start from the wrong assumptions, you are certainly likely to end in the wrong place. Be that as it may, McLaren contends that Jn. 14:6 is often: <a href="http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/107/brian-mclaren-%e2%80%9cis-jesus-the-only-way-to-what%e2%80%9d-part-2#more-107" class="more-link">(more&#8230;)</a></p>
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		<title>Brian McLaren, “Is Jesus the Only Way to What?,” Part 1</title>
		<link>http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/106/brian-mclaren-%e2%80%9cis-jesus-the-only-way-to-what%e2%80%9d-part-1</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Thomas Howe</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[A Question Most Asked
It is rare that Brian McLaren directly answers questions which may shed light on whether he is orthodox or heretical in the essentials of the faith. His article reading of Jn. 14:6 is a case in point.
For purposes of clarity, I will reproduce the verse in a word-for-word translation in the following [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p align="center"><strong>A Question Most Asked</strong></p>
<p>It is rare that Brian McLaren directly answers questions which may shed light on whether he is orthodox or heretical in the essentials of the faith. His article <a href="http://www.brianmclaren.net/emc/archives/McLaren%20-%20John%2014.6.pdf">reading of Jn. 14:6</a> is a case in point.</p>
<p>For purposes of clarity, I will reproduce the verse in a word-for-word translation in the following table. For ease of reference, I have included the definite articles with the nouns to which they are connected.</p>
<p>  </p>
<p align="center">Table #1: Jn. 14:6</p>
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<p align="center"><em>legei</em></p>
</td>
<td width="104" vAlign="top">
<p align="center"><em>auto</em></p>
</td>
<td width="104" vAlign="top">
<p align="center"><em>ho Iesous</em></p>
</td>
<td width="104" vAlign="top">
<p align="center"><em>ego</em></p>
</td>
<td width="104" vAlign="top">
<p align="center"><em>eimi</em></p>
</td>
<td width="104" vAlign="top">
<p align="center"><em>he hodos</em></p>
</td>
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<td width="104" vAlign="top">
<p align="center">says</p>
</td>
<td width="104" vAlign="top">
<p align="center">to him</p>
</td>
<td width="104" vAlign="top">
<p align="center">the Jesus,</p>
</td>
<td width="104" vAlign="top">
<p align="center">I</p>
</td>
<td width="104" vAlign="top">
<p align="center">I am</p>
</td>
<td width="104" vAlign="top">
<p align="center">the way</p>
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<td width="104" vAlign="top">
<p align="center"><em>kai</em></p>
</td>
<td width="104" vAlign="top">
<p align="center"><em>he aletheia</em></p>
</td>
<td width="104" vAlign="top">
<p align="center"><em>kai</em></p>
</td>
<td width="104" vAlign="top">
<p align="center"><em>he zoe</em></p>
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<p align="center"><em>oudeis</em></p>
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<p align="center"><em>erchetai</em></p>
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<p align="center">the life;</p>
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<p align="center">no one</p>
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<p align="center"><em>pros</em></p>
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<p align="center"><em>ei</em></p>
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<p align="center"><em>me</em></p>
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<p align="center"><em>di</em></p>
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<p align="center"><em>emou</em></p>
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<p align="center">to</p>
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<p>The context of this statement is the dialogue between Jesus and His disciples in the upper room preceding His crucifixion. Jesus is preparing the disciples for the fact that He will be leaving them for a while. <a href="http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/106/brian-mclaren-%e2%80%9cis-jesus-the-only-way-to-what%e2%80%9d-part-1#more-106" class="more-link">(more&#8230;)</a></p>
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		<title>Giants in the Land</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Don Veinot</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[When I was a new believer, the church Joy and I attended was very concerned about sound doctrine. I am still thankful today for the foundation they gave me in the Scriptures, and I draw on that regularly. I grew up as an atheist and many if not most of our friends and acquaintances at [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a new believer, the church Joy and I attended was very concerned about sound doctrine. I am still thankful today for the foundation they gave me in the Scriptures, and I draw on that regularly. I grew up as an atheist and many if not most of our friends and acquaintances at that time were non-believers. Early on, our ministry was largely outside the church, where non-believers are generally to be found. The area we lived in seemed ripe for evangelism and this little doctrinally sound church was right in the heart of it! I found, however, that I often met with resistance when I raised the issue of reaching the surrounding neighborhood with the gospel of Christ. It wasn’t that they did not <em>care</em>about reaching the lost, and would happily welcome any lost people into the church, but they seemed to have plenty of ready excuses for not taking the message “out there.”  It struck me that they were much like the 10 spies in Numbers 13:32-33: <a href="http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/104/giants-in-the-land#more-104" class="more-link">(more&#8230;)</a></p>
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		<title>My People Love it So</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Don Veinot</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Over the last few weeks we have had a number of requests about information on Todd Bentley and what is happening in Lakeland, FL. Of special concern are his claims that God told him to , kick elderly women in the face, body tackle people, beat a women’s legs on the platform like baseball bats, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the last few weeks we have had a number of requests about information on Todd Bentley and what is happening in Lakeland, FL. Of special concern are his claims that <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K8XjObzfXM">God told him to </a>, kick elderly women in the face, body tackle people, beat a women’s legs on the platform like baseball bats, leg drop pastors and the like. I was very glad to see our friend Bill Randles write <a href="http://www.believersingrace.citymax.com/mypeopleloveitso.html"> My People Love It So… Why There Must Be Yet Another Mystical Revival</a>, and his piece,<a href="http://www.believersingrace.citymax.com/toddbentleysimonmagus.html"> Todd Bentley - The New Simon Magus</a>. You see, Pastor Bill is ordained in and pastors an Assembly of God church. No one can really say he is opposed to the Pentecostal and Charismatic views, theology and practice. He is however, very opposed to false teachers. The title of his first article, “My People Love It So…” particularly caught my attention because I think it also has application to other issues in the church. </p>
<p>Pastor Randles’ title comes from Jeremiah 5:31 but I will quote it starting with verse 30:</p>
<blockquote><p> An appalling and horrible thing has happened in the land: The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule on their own authority; And My people love it so! But what will you do at the end of it?</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a picture of people run amok. It is also an apt description for the cry-baby boomer generation.  Victor Davis Hanson describes how the cry-baby boomer generation solves problems in ,<a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/all_about_me.html">All About Me</a>. Frankly, I am not all that surprised when non-Christians <a href="http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/103/my-people-love-it-so#more-103" class="more-link">(more&#8230;)</a></p>
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