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		<title>By: Christians Against Leftist Heresy</title>
		<link>http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/evangelicals-gods-own-party/comment-page-1#comment-12917</link>
		<dc:creator>Christians Against Leftist Heresy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it’s true that Barack Hussein Obama’s religious affiliation is getting a pass because he is a leftist media darling. For an interesting look back into BHO’s leftist political past, here’s a link I found today.

http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/01/obama-file-4-obama-was-endorsed-by-far.html

We would like to feature this article on our blog. Consider joining the Christians Against Leftist Heresy blogroll at http://christiansagainstleftistheresy.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it’s true that Barack Hussein Obama’s religious affiliation is getting a pass because he is a leftist media darling. For an interesting look back into BHO’s leftist political past, here’s a link I found today.</p>
<p><a href="http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/01/obama-file-4-obama-was-endorsed-by-far.html" rel="nofollow">http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/01/obama-file-4-obama-was-endorsed-by-far.html</a></p>
<p>We would like to feature this article on our blog. Consider joining the Christians Against Leftist Heresy blogroll at <a href="http://christiansagainstleftistheresy.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://christiansagainstleftistheresy.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/evangelicals-gods-own-party/comment-page-1#comment-12755</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How Can any conservative vote for Romney?

He was listed as one of the top ten Republicans in Name Only by Human Events Magazine.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=11129

What will he be after the primary?

And would he be another George Bush if he gets elected?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How Can any conservative vote for Romney?</p>
<p>He was listed as one of the top ten Republicans in Name Only by Human Events Magazine.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=11129" rel="nofollow">http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=11129</a></p>
<p>What will he be after the primary?</p>
<p>And would he be another George Bush if he gets elected?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/evangelicals-gods-own-party/comment-page-1#comment-12754</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn,

I don’t think it is racist to still have some sense of appreciation for ones race, culture and identity. The reality is that for a variety of reasons there are neighborhoods, schools, local places of employment, and church’s in our country that are predominantly black and therefore as a community has maintained much of that cultural identity. It is not so different than things like China town or areas that are predominantly Spanish speaking and share communality.  Language is not as much as a barrier in the Black community but even still I think there is a difference from “English American” and “German American” cultures in our nations past; mainly that these groups more easily merged into what now is just considered as one “white” majority. But even this took a lot of time and it is easy to forget that one time in our country there was racism towards groups like Irish and Italians. 

You mentioned that it has been almost two centuries since slaves were brought to America, but it has just been barely over 40 years since the civil rights movement, still barely one generation away. It will simply take more time break even further past these barriers. But we are not going to make more progress by denying the real cultural presence of Black America and dismissing their cultural identity as invalid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn,</p>
<p>I don’t think it is racist to still have some sense of appreciation for ones race, culture and identity. The reality is that for a variety of reasons there are neighborhoods, schools, local places of employment, and church’s in our country that are predominantly black and therefore as a community has maintained much of that cultural identity. It is not so different than things like China town or areas that are predominantly Spanish speaking and share communality.  Language is not as much as a barrier in the Black community but even still I think there is a difference from “English American” and “German American” cultures in our nations past; mainly that these groups more easily merged into what now is just considered as one “white” majority. But even this took a lot of time and it is easy to forget that one time in our country there was racism towards groups like Irish and Italians. </p>
<p>You mentioned that it has been almost two centuries since slaves were brought to America, but it has just been barely over 40 years since the civil rights movement, still barely one generation away. It will simply take more time break even further past these barriers. But we are not going to make more progress by denying the real cultural presence of Black America and dismissing their cultural identity as invalid.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Oyen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Oyen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, you did an excellent job on this about Obama, the media, and related matters!  As the saying goes, &quot;Let &#039;er rip!!!!&quot; From a Norwegian-American in Montana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, you did an excellent job on this about Obama, the media, and related matters!  As the saying goes, &#8220;Let &#8216;er rip!!!!&#8221; From a Norwegian-American in Montana.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn E. Chatfield</title>
		<link>http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/evangelicals-gods-own-party/comment-page-1#comment-12729</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn E. Chatfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s church is overtly racist if they even THINK about honoring Farrakhan for ANYTHING.  And there is no such thing as &quot;African-American&quot; - that is a racist construct in and of itself.  We are all Americans. Period.  How many people do we see touting themselves as &quot;English-American&quot; or &quot;German-American&quot;, etc?  Perhaps during the first generation of these people it would be appropriate, but it has been almost two centuries since slaves were brought here from Africa, and not all blacks even descend from Africans.  The whole construct is to keep darker-skinned people from being part of the national identity, and to keep them as eternal victims.  Obama&#039;s church is racist, period!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s church is overtly racist if they even THINK about honoring Farrakhan for ANYTHING.  And there is no such thing as &#8220;African-American&#8221; &#8211; that is a racist construct in and of itself.  We are all Americans. Period.  How many people do we see touting themselves as &#8220;English-American&#8221; or &#8220;German-American&#8221;, etc?  Perhaps during the first generation of these people it would be appropriate, but it has been almost two centuries since slaves were brought here from Africa, and not all blacks even descend from Africans.  The whole construct is to keep darker-skinned people from being part of the national identity, and to keep them as eternal victims.  Obama&#8217;s church is racist, period!</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You referenced “We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian”

I don’t think there is any racism in the statements made here because they are embracing faith inside a particular cultural context. How is this any different than the Greek Orthodox Church or a Korean Church? I don’t think it reveals racism by just flipping it to say “white” because “white” is not as a specific cultural context as “African” or even “Black American”.  

You said, &quot;Of course eradicating poverty is a worthy aspiration, and it is a Godly thing to share our own possessions and wealth with the needy, but the confiscation and forced redistribution of other people’s wealth is not Christianity, but Marxism!&quot;

Yes you are right that forcing redistribution of other peoples wealth is not Christian, however I don’t think we are talking about a Robin Hood robbing the rich to feed the poor model. If any “robbing” is going on it is the embracing of systems that nickel and dime the poor to death because they don’t have the nickels and dimes to spare.  

I think in a different time a strict capitalistic system could be governed by economics; if business was unfair or unjust people would stop using it and that business would loose money.  The problem is that businesses are so large and there is so much wealth in the world that businesses simply don’t feel it in the pockets anymore when they operate unjustly and when these people they hurt stop using them. Of course in many cases people may not have a choice and must use them. 

Our businesses are too large and systems are too big to have natural economic accountability anymore. Not only that, people themselves are often not held accountable because they are just one piece in a larger corporate systems. Even CEO’s work for systems; the machines are in charge! 

I think the fear of Communism is unnecessary because it wont happen as long as we have a people’s government where all people truly have a voice. Corporate lobbyist often make this challenging, but as long as we have these enormous corporate systems we need a peoples government more than ever to put people back in charge of these systems and give it some accountability. 

Of course the systems of politics and government are not perfect either but in the context of the world we live in today in our country people simply are better able to have a voice in our political system because they have so much less of a voice in the corporate systems of our country.  These systems are not self governing and because they are systems they lack the accountability of individuals and human morality- the systems are set up only to be accountable to the bottom line.  

As long as these systems are the ones in charge and not people than I see nothing wrong with people working through government to keep these systems accountable to people when they fail to be otherwise. 

You said, &quot;The most forgotten members of society who truly have no voice at all are the unborn…why is it that those who stand for the life of the preborn today are viewed as evil for carrying their beliefs into the voting booth, while those who are silent about or even endorse the wholesale slaughter of helpless people regarded as caring and enlightened?&quot;

By all mean carry your faith and beliefs into the voting booth (I carry mine there)and also keep fighting for the life of the unborn! But be consistent and care for the lives of the born too, and understand also that fighting issues such as poverty and even aids will actually go a long way in preventing the need for so many to even have to consider abortions.  I think we all must be “enlightened” enough to realize that we can not fix these problems isolated from their broader context and systems of influence. As someone who is very much pro-life I am no longer convinced that just voting republican is the best way of voting pro-life and truly trying to make a difference in the lives of both the born and unborn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You referenced “We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian”</p>
<p>I don’t think there is any racism in the statements made here because they are embracing faith inside a particular cultural context. How is this any different than the Greek Orthodox Church or a Korean Church? I don’t think it reveals racism by just flipping it to say “white” because “white” is not as a specific cultural context as “African” or even “Black American”.  </p>
<p>You said, &#8220;Of course eradicating poverty is a worthy aspiration, and it is a Godly thing to share our own possessions and wealth with the needy, but the confiscation and forced redistribution of other people’s wealth is not Christianity, but Marxism!&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes you are right that forcing redistribution of other peoples wealth is not Christian, however I don’t think we are talking about a Robin Hood robbing the rich to feed the poor model. If any “robbing” is going on it is the embracing of systems that nickel and dime the poor to death because they don’t have the nickels and dimes to spare.  </p>
<p>I think in a different time a strict capitalistic system could be governed by economics; if business was unfair or unjust people would stop using it and that business would loose money.  The problem is that businesses are so large and there is so much wealth in the world that businesses simply don’t feel it in the pockets anymore when they operate unjustly and when these people they hurt stop using them. Of course in many cases people may not have a choice and must use them. </p>
<p>Our businesses are too large and systems are too big to have natural economic accountability anymore. Not only that, people themselves are often not held accountable because they are just one piece in a larger corporate systems. Even CEO’s work for systems; the machines are in charge! </p>
<p>I think the fear of Communism is unnecessary because it wont happen as long as we have a people’s government where all people truly have a voice. Corporate lobbyist often make this challenging, but as long as we have these enormous corporate systems we need a peoples government more than ever to put people back in charge of these systems and give it some accountability. </p>
<p>Of course the systems of politics and government are not perfect either but in the context of the world we live in today in our country people simply are better able to have a voice in our political system because they have so much less of a voice in the corporate systems of our country.  These systems are not self governing and because they are systems they lack the accountability of individuals and human morality- the systems are set up only to be accountable to the bottom line.  </p>
<p>As long as these systems are the ones in charge and not people than I see nothing wrong with people working through government to keep these systems accountable to people when they fail to be otherwise. </p>
<p>You said, &#8220;The most forgotten members of society who truly have no voice at all are the unborn…why is it that those who stand for the life of the preborn today are viewed as evil for carrying their beliefs into the voting booth, while those who are silent about or even endorse the wholesale slaughter of helpless people regarded as caring and enlightened?&#8221;</p>
<p>By all mean carry your faith and beliefs into the voting booth (I carry mine there)and also keep fighting for the life of the unborn! But be consistent and care for the lives of the born too, and understand also that fighting issues such as poverty and even aids will actually go a long way in preventing the need for so many to even have to consider abortions.  I think we all must be “enlightened” enough to realize that we can not fix these problems isolated from their broader context and systems of influence. As someone who is very much pro-life I am no longer convinced that just voting republican is the best way of voting pro-life and truly trying to make a difference in the lives of both the born and unborn.</p>
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