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	<title>Comments on: Bill Gothard King Maker?</title>
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		<title>By: Martha Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 02:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to propose prayer for Bill Gothard and all of those in authority and leadership in the church and in our country. The message is Faith, Alone in The Lord Jesus Christ. It&#039;s not commitment, repentance, the worship of so called &#039;good&#039;, or our judgments that save but child like faith in The Lord Jesus Christ. When The Lord Jesus Christ is lifted up He draws all those with positive volition to Himself. Start there and grow in His Grace and in the Knowledge of the Word of God. Asking always for  Wisdom, seeking always Truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to propose prayer for Bill Gothard and all of those in authority and leadership in the church and in our country. The message is Faith, Alone in The Lord Jesus Christ. It&#8217;s not commitment, repentance, the worship of so called &#8216;good&#8217;, or our judgments that save but child like faith in The Lord Jesus Christ. When The Lord Jesus Christ is lifted up He draws all those with positive volition to Himself. Start there and grow in His Grace and in the Knowledge of the Word of God. Asking always for  Wisdom, seeking always Truth.</p>
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		<title>By: (((((HUGS)))))  sandi</title>
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		<dc:creator>(((((HUGS)))))  sandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this.  I have liked some Gothard/Phillips teachings, but it&#039;s all been a shallow study.  Now that our church is starting some Gothard-based lectures, I have become a little concerned....  (((((HUGS)))))  sandi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this.  I have liked some Gothard/Phillips teachings, but it&#8217;s all been a shallow study.  Now that our church is starting some Gothard-based lectures, I have become a little concerned&#8230;.  (((((HUGS)))))  sandi</p>
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		<title>By: Larne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,

Just to set the record straight regarding your above statement. &quot;According to several former employees from the late 1970s era Bill had a landing strip built at his 3,000 acre Big Bear lodge retreat in the Northwood’s and he had it built to accommodate Air Force 1. I am told that he indicated God had told him that one day presidents to come to him and he wanted to be prepared.&quot; 

While your statement is partially true it implies a runway large enough to accommodate the president&#039;s usual Air Force One, a Boeing 747-200, the actual fact is that would be difficult at best due to the size of the airfield. Now anything the president flies in is considered Air Force/Marine/Navy/Army One so even a Piper Cub would qualify. But your statement implies the former. RXW is the identifier for the Northwood Research Center&#039;s Airport located in the Michigan Upper Peninsula just off of HW 2 just across the border from Land of Lakes, WI. The runway is 5000&#039; long and 75&#039; wide. A normal 747 runway would be well in excess of 5000’ and is usually 150’ wide) is a lighted strip with VASI (Visual Approach Slop Indicator) at both ends and at one time had an FAA approved NDB instrument approach (407 MHz RXW) and approved weather station. Current the beacon is off the air and the trained weather observers I knew have long since retired. The airport has a heated hanger large enough to accommodate two Lear Jets and at one time had a 10,000 gallon underground fuel tank. 

During my 18 month stent (1979-1980) as one of Bill Gothard’s pilots we did have one political seminar at the facility and Bill did hope to have a grass roots influence on politicians based on his both public and private seminars, thus spreading his political agenda. You and I have talked in the past and should well remember, I am by no means a Gothard supporter. Yet I think it is important the get your facts straight since it can diminish your main message that Bill Gothard is a dangerous man.

Keep up the good work,

Larne
Former Gothard Pilot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>Just to set the record straight regarding your above statement. &#8220;According to several former employees from the late 1970s era Bill had a landing strip built at his 3,000 acre Big Bear lodge retreat in the Northwood’s and he had it built to accommodate Air Force 1. I am told that he indicated God had told him that one day presidents to come to him and he wanted to be prepared.&#8221; </p>
<p>While your statement is partially true it implies a runway large enough to accommodate the president&#8217;s usual Air Force One, a Boeing 747-200, the actual fact is that would be difficult at best due to the size of the airfield. Now anything the president flies in is considered Air Force/Marine/Navy/Army One so even a Piper Cub would qualify. But your statement implies the former. RXW is the identifier for the Northwood Research Center&#8217;s Airport located in the Michigan Upper Peninsula just off of HW 2 just across the border from Land of Lakes, WI. The runway is 5000&#8242; long and 75&#8242; wide. A normal 747 runway would be well in excess of 5000’ and is usually 150’ wide) is a lighted strip with VASI (Visual Approach Slop Indicator) at both ends and at one time had an FAA approved NDB instrument approach (407 MHz RXW) and approved weather station. Current the beacon is off the air and the trained weather observers I knew have long since retired. The airport has a heated hanger large enough to accommodate two Lear Jets and at one time had a 10,000 gallon underground fuel tank. </p>
<p>During my 18 month stent (1979-1980) as one of Bill Gothard’s pilots we did have one political seminar at the facility and Bill did hope to have a grass roots influence on politicians based on his both public and private seminars, thus spreading his political agenda. You and I have talked in the past and should well remember, I am by no means a Gothard supporter. Yet I think it is important the get your facts straight since it can diminish your main message that Bill Gothard is a dangerous man.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work,</p>
<p>Larne<br />
Former Gothard Pilot</p>
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		<title>By: Lin</title>
		<link>http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/bill-gothard-king-maker/comment-page-1#comment-12416</link>
		<dc:creator>Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Huckabee wins the primary, the media will be interested in his Gothard ties and we will hear all about them. :o(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Huckabee wins the primary, the media will be interested in his Gothard ties and we will hear all about them. <img src='http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> (</p>
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		<title>By: Under Much Grace</title>
		<link>http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/bill-gothard-king-maker/comment-page-1#comment-12410</link>
		<dc:creator>Under Much Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, Don.  I hope that many take notice of this.  An acquaintence of mine talked about how nice it would be to have a former Baptist minister as president, and they didn&#039;t see anything all that wrong with Gothard.  I appreciate that with just a few brief paragraphs, you&#039;ve brought attention to the stranger aspects of Gothard&#039;s &quot;ideas&quot; that even people who have gone to one of Gothard&#039;s seminars know nothing about.  My husband who attended one of those conferences about 15 years ago wanted little to do with Gothard after that, but he had no idea about the &quot;Airforce One runway.&quot;  You&#039;ve selected very telling examples to communicate some very legitimate concerns.

I would have never suspected many of the problems that we had with our Gothard-loving pastor and our church without actually living through some of that insanity myself.  I pray that many Christians will heed the warnings of the many people who survived the Gothard system and rethink the system of Doug Phillips and patriarchy as a result of all your efforts to make these serious problems known to the unsuspecting.  

I believe that voting in a president who has steeped in the thought reform programs of Bill Gothard (showing him preference if not deference in the past) will prove quite problematic for the American people.  Bill Gothard is so dangerous because he appears so sweet and harmless, but for those of us who have been all the way through the Gothard mill, it is quite a different story.  I pray that people realize the truth about &quot;Brother Bill&quot; and consider these issues long before they venture to the polls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Don.  I hope that many take notice of this.  An acquaintence of mine talked about how nice it would be to have a former Baptist minister as president, and they didn&#8217;t see anything all that wrong with Gothard.  I appreciate that with just a few brief paragraphs, you&#8217;ve brought attention to the stranger aspects of Gothard&#8217;s &#8220;ideas&#8221; that even people who have gone to one of Gothard&#8217;s seminars know nothing about.  My husband who attended one of those conferences about 15 years ago wanted little to do with Gothard after that, but he had no idea about the &#8220;Airforce One runway.&#8221;  You&#8217;ve selected very telling examples to communicate some very legitimate concerns.</p>
<p>I would have never suspected many of the problems that we had with our Gothard-loving pastor and our church without actually living through some of that insanity myself.  I pray that many Christians will heed the warnings of the many people who survived the Gothard system and rethink the system of Doug Phillips and patriarchy as a result of all your efforts to make these serious problems known to the unsuspecting.  </p>
<p>I believe that voting in a president who has steeped in the thought reform programs of Bill Gothard (showing him preference if not deference in the past) will prove quite problematic for the American people.  Bill Gothard is so dangerous because he appears so sweet and harmless, but for those of us who have been all the way through the Gothard mill, it is quite a different story.  I pray that people realize the truth about &#8220;Brother Bill&#8221; and consider these issues long before they venture to the polls.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Oyen</title>
		<link>http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/bill-gothard-king-maker/comment-page-1#comment-12377</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Oyen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, you did a great job on the connection between Bill Gothard and Mike Huckabee. I forwarded it to some others, it was so informative. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, you did a great job on the connection between Bill Gothard and Mike Huckabee. I forwarded it to some others, it was so informative. Thanks!</p>
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