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		<title>By: E. Stephen Burnett</title>
		<link>http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/ben-stein-to-the-rescue/comment-page-1#comment-17418</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Stephen Burnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Denis&lt;/b&gt;, an informed Christ-follower would focus on an attempted argument you just made up there. Yours is a strategy fairly common to the faith&#039;s critics:

&lt;blockquote&gt;After the trial, Jones and his family received death threats and were given around-the-clock protection. Of course they were. We have come to expect nothing less of “Christendom.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Ignoring for a moment the clear un-Christlike behavior of such threat-makers against the judge, and the fact that non-Christians also believe in and defend &quot;intelligent design&quot; and such ...

What do you mean by this statement? Are you saying these badly behaving evolution critics -- or threat-makers -- are false Christians? If so, according to whose definition? In your view, is it Christianity&#039;s critics or its defenders who are &quot;allowed&quot; to define the faith&#039;s ethical principles? Would you similarly &quot;allow&quot; Christians to direct what moral behavior is and is not &quot;allowed&quot; for a &quot;real&quot; Biblical creation critic?

Most interesting of all, on what basis would you make these moral value judgments as to who is and isn&#039;t being a hypocrite, as you&#039;ve clearly implied?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Denis</b>, an informed Christ-follower would focus on an attempted argument you just made up there. Yours is a strategy fairly common to the faith&#8217;s critics:</p>
<blockquote><p>After the trial, Jones and his family received death threats and were given around-the-clock protection. Of course they were. We have come to expect nothing less of “Christendom.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Ignoring for a moment the clear un-Christlike behavior of such threat-makers against the judge, and the fact that non-Christians also believe in and defend &#8220;intelligent design&#8221; and such &#8230;</p>
<p>What do you mean by this statement? Are you saying these badly behaving evolution critics &#8212; or threat-makers &#8212; are false Christians? If so, according to whose definition? In your view, is it Christianity&#8217;s critics or its defenders who are &#8220;allowed&#8221; to define the faith&#8217;s ethical principles? Would you similarly &#8220;allow&#8221; Christians to direct what moral behavior is and is not &#8220;allowed&#8221; for a &#8220;real&#8221; Biblical creation critic?</p>
<p>Most interesting of all, on what basis would you make these moral value judgments as to who is and isn&#8217;t being a hypocrite, as you&#8217;ve clearly implied?</p>
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		<title>By: Denis Wilson</title>
		<link>http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/ben-stein-to-the-rescue/comment-page-1#comment-17413</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is actually nothing bigoted about questioning someone who believes the world is flat or that the sun revolves around the earth.  We would say the evidence proves otherwise and would not allow them to teach.  Thankfully, we have amazing advances in science that now hold up a candle in the dark and it has illuminated many areas we once left to superstition and faith.

Once again, the creationists and ID side has yet to offer up any evidence as to why their side should be taught.  Not to mention the same Christians are not open to EVERY version of creation being taught.  Only their own and yet the world has several of those fireside stories.  Judge Jones, a conservative judge himself appointed by Bush, even said in the Dover case:

&quot;Saying the school board made a decision of &#039;breathtaking inanity,&#039; Jones found that intelligent design -- the notion that life is too complex to have arisen through natural selection and must have been designed by an intelligent agent -- was not science and &#039;cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents.&#039;

Jones&#039; 139-page ruling in Kitzmiller v. Dover (online at www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmiller/kitzmiller_342.pdf) was the first legal test of intelligent design as a scientific theory. Jones agreed with the plaintiffs&#039; experts that intelligent design was untestable and therefore not a scientific theory.

Repeatedly in this trial, he wrote &quot;plaintiffs&#039; scientific experts testified that the theory of evolution represents good science, is overwhelmingly accepted by the scientific community, and that it in no way conflicts with, nor does it deny, the existence of a divine creator.&quot;

After the trial, Jones and his family received death threats and were given around-the-clock protection.  Of course they were.  We have come to expect nothing less of &quot;Christendom.&quot;

So, if they want to teach something, at least make sure it can actually hold up as true science with validation and testing behind it.  Not just loose ideas that are based in some sort of God of the Gaps theory.

The National Academy of Science shows that less than 1% of scientists believe anything other than evolution.  Maybe they are just all clouded by the devil or something.  An excuse that seems to never get old.

Sorry but a lot of what you are saying are just empty words and whining.  Again, if someone approached us and said the world was flat, agnostic/atheist and Christian alike would all have a good laugh.  The difference is you stopped laughing at this nonsense and somehow try to defend it.  

thank you for your time
Denis W</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is actually nothing bigoted about questioning someone who believes the world is flat or that the sun revolves around the earth.  We would say the evidence proves otherwise and would not allow them to teach.  Thankfully, we have amazing advances in science that now hold up a candle in the dark and it has illuminated many areas we once left to superstition and faith.</p>
<p>Once again, the creationists and ID side has yet to offer up any evidence as to why their side should be taught.  Not to mention the same Christians are not open to EVERY version of creation being taught.  Only their own and yet the world has several of those fireside stories.  Judge Jones, a conservative judge himself appointed by Bush, even said in the Dover case:</p>
<p>&#8220;Saying the school board made a decision of &#8216;breathtaking inanity,&#8217; Jones found that intelligent design &#8212; the notion that life is too complex to have arisen through natural selection and must have been designed by an intelligent agent &#8212; was not science and &#8216;cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents.&#8217;</p>
<p>Jones&#8217; 139-page ruling in Kitzmiller v. Dover (online at <a href="http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmiller/kitzmiller_342.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmiller/kitzmiller_342.pdf</a>) was the first legal test of intelligent design as a scientific theory. Jones agreed with the plaintiffs&#8217; experts that intelligent design was untestable and therefore not a scientific theory.</p>
<p>Repeatedly in this trial, he wrote &#8220;plaintiffs&#8217; scientific experts testified that the theory of evolution represents good science, is overwhelmingly accepted by the scientific community, and that it in no way conflicts with, nor does it deny, the existence of a divine creator.&#8221;</p>
<p>After the trial, Jones and his family received death threats and were given around-the-clock protection.  Of course they were.  We have come to expect nothing less of &#8220;Christendom.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, if they want to teach something, at least make sure it can actually hold up as true science with validation and testing behind it.  Not just loose ideas that are based in some sort of God of the Gaps theory.</p>
<p>The National Academy of Science shows that less than 1% of scientists believe anything other than evolution.  Maybe they are just all clouded by the devil or something.  An excuse that seems to never get old.</p>
<p>Sorry but a lot of what you are saying are just empty words and whining.  Again, if someone approached us and said the world was flat, agnostic/atheist and Christian alike would all have a good laugh.  The difference is you stopped laughing at this nonsense and somehow try to defend it.  </p>
<p>thank you for your time<br />
Denis W</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Hampton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia Hampton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at Biola University on April 27th and saw Ben Stein in person. It was an interesting discussion how very learned scientists such as Caroline Crocker, PhD (formerly of George Mason University) and Guillermo Gonzalez, PhD (formerly of Iowa State University) have literally lost their jobs in academia only because they have suggested in their published writings that Intelligent Design, not even mentioning &quot;creation&quot; might be a factor that should be studied.  

Ben Stein was presented with the Philip E Crocker Award that night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at Biola University on April 27th and saw Ben Stein in person. It was an interesting discussion how very learned scientists such as Caroline Crocker, PhD (formerly of George Mason University) and Guillermo Gonzalez, PhD (formerly of Iowa State University) have literally lost their jobs in academia only because they have suggested in their published writings that Intelligent Design, not even mentioning &#8220;creation&#8221; might be a factor that should be studied.  </p>
<p>Ben Stein was presented with the Philip E Crocker Award that night.</p>
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		<title>By: Darron S</title>
		<link>http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/ben-stein-to-the-rescue/comment-page-1#comment-17183</link>
		<dc:creator>Darron S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your musings on the &quot;purpose of life&quot; remind me of my favorite short story by the late, great Isaac Asimov, &quot;The Last Question&quot;.  You&#039;ll love the ending!

http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your musings on the &#8220;purpose of life&#8221; remind me of my favorite short story by the late, great Isaac Asimov, &#8220;The Last Question&#8221;.  You&#8217;ll love the ending!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html</a></p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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